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fabrik deactivated at JED

Discussion in 'Community' started by gobezu, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. gobezu

    gobezu New Member

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  2. startpoint

    startpoint Active Member

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    Trust on Fabrik developers and use the extension.
     
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  3. pakeydev

    pakeydev New Member

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    Yes...

    but what happened? :confused::oops:
     
  4. troester

    troester Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    As far as I know it's because Fabrik has some files (e.g. for PDF generation, which Joomla stopped supporting long time ago) in Joomla core folders.
    They changed their policy and don't allow this any longer.
     
  5. Sophist

    Sophist Well-Known Member

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    If this is the case, there is undoubtedly a reason for it - IMO likely to be down to potential security issues, though I haven't researched this.

    This seems to me to be a reflection on the level of support that Fabrik now has - it is almost certainly possible for Fabrik to relocate those files somewhere that meets policy, but neither being removed from JED nor any potential security issues seem to be sufficient motivation to fix this, or at least not yet.
     
  6. tghounsell

    tghounsell Member

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    Any word on this issue? I have a developer pushing back on using Fabrik because of this issue.
     
  7. lousyfool

    lousyfool Active Member

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    Sorry but, frankly, I don't understand... why is it an "issue" if Fabrik (or any other extension, for that matter) is not in the JED? Nothing in Fabrik has become worse since... if anything, then only better.
    There are tons of rock-old, unmaintained, by now sometimes incompatible extensions in JED, and no one seems to bother while, at least IMO, that's really bad.
     
  8. tghounsell

    tghounsell Member

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    On Joomla, Fabrik is delisted and categorized as "under investigation". Seems like poor optics if nothing else, and makes an uphill battle for attracting new users. Mine is a real world example. There must be others not discovering it or deciding not to use it because of this. And even if it's only a bureaucratic mixup, should I reallly be choosing a tool that seems content to be shooting itself in the foot?
     
  9. lousyfool

    lousyfool Active Member

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    AFAIK, and like troester said here above: http://fabrikar.com/forums/index.php?threads/fabrik-un-published-in-the-jed.51805/#post-271759

    It's really up to everyone individually what to make of it.

    The real uphill battle is for Fabrik devs to make ends meet with a very mighty but 100% free-of-charge extension while too often users seem to expect support just as for a premium app, including custom code for their very specific project. Like explained and discussed elsewhere here in the forum.

    Again IMO (!): what Fabrik deserves and needs more of is trust and active, quality community support instead of distrust, unrealistic expectations, or (self-declared or real) MBAs. That would make it an even more powerful tool than it already is.

    No offence, and just by the way: which other tool does what Fabrik can do? Where to go, in JED or elsewhere? You can tell, I for my part and many others are happy here and, while the JED is generally a good thing (which used to be even better), I don't mind if Fabrik is in it or not. ;)
     
  10. tghounsell

    tghounsell Member

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    I agree with much of what you're saying. Fabrik is my favourite part of joomla. It's functionality that seems like good base functionality for joomla, to me. But at the same time, completely regardless of technical quality, if a client or a competitor can point to this delisting and say "hey, why are you using technologies that a google search can reveal as suspect?", I've now got a credibility issue. Regardless of whether Fabrik was in any way involved in the problem, being delisted generates noise. It's probably a non-issue, but it sure can make it's users look bad.
     
  11. Sophist

    Sophist Well-Known Member

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    Well - it is now at least 5 months since Joomla was de-listed from JED - and as yet, we have not had an explanation or comment from Media A-Team, nor as far as anyone can see has Media A-Team done anything to try to get Fabrik re-listed.

    So we have no definitive explanation as to why it was delisted, and if it was for security reasons just what the risks are for sites that use Joomla. Nor do we have any reassurance from Media A-Team about the long term future of Fabrik, just an appearance that support is now pretty non-existent.

    Is this the first (or possibly the last) nail in the coffin? Or will Media A-Team step up to the plate and fix whatever needs fixing to get Fabrik re-listed, and reassure users that their Fabrik based sites have a future?
     
  12. Sophist

    Sophist Well-Known Member

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    Well - it is now at least 13 months since Joomla was de-listed from JED - and as yet, we have not had an explanation or comment from Media A-Team, nor as far as anyone can see has Media A-Team done anything to try to get Fabrik re-listed.

    So we have no definitive explanation as to why it was delisted, and if it was for security reasons just what the risks are for sites that use Joomla. Nor do we have any reassurance from Media A-Team about the long term future of Fabrik, just an appearance that support is now pretty non-existent.

    Is this the first (or possibly the last) nail in the coffin? Or will Media A-Team step up to the plate and fix whatever needs fixing to get Fabrik re-listed, and reassure users that their Fabrik based sites have a future?
     
  13. startpoint

    startpoint Active Member

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    Everything looks very sad.
    It seems to me that the perfect instrument for me is slowly but surely coming to an end.
    How hard it is for me to say that.
    I will continue to use it with Joomla 3, as long as it works for me.
     
  14. juuser

    juuser Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to think there's still hope as Fabrik is still actively maintained and Media A-Team has it's own customers who need it. And what they have said, they are actively developing Fabrik 4, so I think everything is not gone yet :). And the community support is also pretty solid.
     
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  15. startpoint

    startpoint Active Member

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    Fabrik 4 is developing last 1 year and more, i think.
    The business model is totally wrong. Rather, I think there seems to be none.
    In my opinion, they do not care at all about the users of the component, but they are completely focused on their personal customers and they do not need any crumbs from us.
     
  16. lousyfool

    lousyfool Active Member

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    Not true. See https://fabrikar.com/forums/index.php?threads/fabrik-jed-status.52210/


    Not true. See https://fabrikar.com/forums/index.php?threads/fabrik-4-joomla-4-plans.52211/


    I'm with @juuser on this one here, thanks to @troester, @juuser, some others and efforts in a smaller group elsewhere.


    To quote you further up in this same thread:
    Sure, views can change. But general statements like your most recent one neither have a base, nor do they help anyone, users or devs.
    Fabrik is an extension 100% free for anyone. So, what do you expect devs are making a living from? If development is continuing (and it is: simply refer to Github), then thanks to paying clients of Media A-Team. In fact, you are directly benefitting from those paying clients. If anything, we should send more paying clients to Media A-Team instead of being freeloaders expecting everything top-notch and free of charge, including round-the-hour pro "support".
    ("Support" in quotes because 90+% is about custom solutions, code and syntax errors -- instead of extension support.)

    Peace, love and understanding. But get real, people, and think twice about what you're asking for vs. what you're giving.
     
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  17. samani

    samani Member

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    can anyone say when resolve title of this topic? is there any plan for activate fabrik in JED?
     
  18. lousyfool

    lousyfool Active Member

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    As Robbie said here:
     
  19. samani

    samani Member

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    thank you @lousyfool for your fast reply but that post send in Jan 2021 . how much time need for resubmit an extension in JED? 9 month?
     
  20. juuser

    juuser Well-Known Member

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    Obviously it's not a top priority for Media A-Team. And as it seems to require a lot more work than just a few clicks, it might not happen soon which is actually quite sad as JED is the main place where new users would come from.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2021

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